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Posted 06 December 2007 - 01:46 AM

List of Mughal Emperors


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Emperor Birth Reign Period Death Notes
Zahiruddin Mohammed Babur February 14, 1483 1526-1530 December 26, 1530. Founder of the Mughal Dynasty.

Nasiruddin Mohammed Humayun March 6, 1508 1530-1540 January 1556. Reign interrupted by Suri Dynasty. Youth and inexperience at ascension led to his being regarded as a less effective ruler than usurper, Sher Shah Suri.

Sher Shah Suri 1472 1540-1545 May 1545. Deposed Humayun and led the Suri Dynasty; introduced tight, effective administration policies that would later be adopted by Akbar.

Islam Shah Suri c. 1500 1545-1554 1554. 2nd and last ruler of the Suri Dynasty, with less control of the empire than his father; claims of sons Sikandar and Adil Shah were eliminated by Humayun's restoration.

Humayun (restored) March 6, 1508 1555-1556 January 1556. Restored rule was more unified and effective than initial reign of 1530-1540; left unified empire for his son, Akbar.

Jalaluddin Mohammed Akbar November 1542 1556-1605 October 27, 1605. Akbar added the most territory to the Empire and is regarded as the most illustrious ruler of the Mughal Dynasty; under him, Muslim/Hindu relations were at their highest.

Nuruddin Mohammed Jahangir October 1569 1605-1627 1627. Jahangir set the precedent for sons rebelling against their Emperor fathers. Opened first relations with the British East India Company. Sadly he was an alcoholic and his favourite wife Nur Jahan became the real power behind the throne.

Shahabuddin Mohammed Shah Jahan January 5, 1592 1627-1658 1662. Under him, Mughal art and architecture reached their zenith; constructed the Taj Mahal, Jahangir mausoleum and Shalimar Gardens in Lahore. Deposed and imprisoned by his son Aurangzeb.

Moinuddin Mohammed Aurangzeb Alamgir October 21, 1618 1658-1707 1707. Much less extravagant or tolerant of Hinduism/Sikhism than his predecessors; brought the empire to its greatest physical extent and imposed Islamic Sharia on the Mughal Empire. Extreme policies left many enemies to undermine the empire after his death.

Bahadur Shah I
a.k.a Shah Alam I October 14, 1643 1707-1712 February 1712. First of the Mughal emperors to preside over a steady and severe decline in the empire's control and power. During and after his reign, the emperor became a progressively insignificant figurehead.

Jahandar Shah 1664 1712-1713 February 1713

Furrukhsiyar 1683 1713-1719 1719. In 1717 he granted a Firman to the English East India Company granting them duty free trading rights for Bengal, and confirmed their position in India.

Rafi Ul-Darjat Unknown 1719 1719
a.k.a Shah Jahan II Unknown 1719 1719

Nikusiyar Unknown 1719 1743

Mohammed Ibrahim Unknown 1720 1744

Mohammed Shah 1702 1719-1720, 1720-1748 1748. Suffered the invasion of Nadir Shah of Persia in 1739.

Ahmad Shah Bahadur 1725 1748-1754 1754

Alamgir II 1699 1754-1759 1759

Shah Jahan III Unknown Briefly in 1759 1770s

Shah Alam II 1728 1759-1806 1806. Suffered the invasion of Ahmed Shah Abdali in 1761; granted the 'Nizami' of Bengal, Bihar and Orissa to the BEIC in 1765, formally accepted the protection of the BEIC in 1803. "start of the creation of Afghanistan by the invasion of land from turko monguls including Hazaras, persians, central asian Uzbeks.

Akbar Shah II 1760 1806-1837 1837 titular figurehead under British protection

Bahadur Shah II 1775 1837-1857 1862 Deposed by the British and exiled to Burma following the Great Mutin
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Akbar @ Dec 6 2007, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
List of Mughal Emperors


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Emperor Birth Reign Period Death Notes
Zahiruddin Mohammed Babur February 14, 1483 1526-1530 December 26, 1530. Founder of the Mughal Dynasty.

Nasiruddin Mohammed Humayun March 6, 1508 1530-1540 January 1556. Reign interrupted by Suri Dynasty. Youth and inexperience at ascension led to his being regarded as a less effective ruler than usurper, Sher Shah Suri.

Sher Shah Suri 1472 1540-1545 May 1545. Deposed Humayun and led the Suri Dynasty; introduced tight, effective administration policies that would later be adopted by Akbar.

Islam Shah Suri c. 1500 1545-1554 1554. 2nd and last ruler of the Suri Dynasty, with less control of the empire than his father; claims of sons Sikandar and Adil Shah were eliminated by Humayun's restoration.

Humayun (restored) March 6, 1508 1555-1556 January 1556. Restored rule was more unified and effective than initial reign of 1530-1540; left unified empire for his son, Akbar.

Jalaluddin Mohammed Akbar November 1542 1556-1605 October 27, 1605. Akbar added the most territory to the Empire and is regarded as the most illustrious ruler of the Mughal Dynasty; under him, Muslim/Hindu relations were at their highest.

Nuruddin Mohammed Jahangir October 1569 1605-1627 1627. Jahangir set the precedent for sons rebelling against their Emperor fathers. Opened first relations with the British East India Company. Sadly he was an alcoholic and his favourite wife Nur Jahan became the real power behind the throne.

Shahabuddin Mohammed Shah Jahan January 5, 1592 1627-1658 1662. Under him, Mughal art and architecture reached their zenith; constructed the Taj Mahal, Jahangir mausoleum and Shalimar Gardens in Lahore. Deposed and imprisoned by his son Aurangzeb.

Moinuddin Mohammed Aurangzeb Alamgir October 21, 1618 1658-1707 1707. Much less extravagant or tolerant of Hinduism/Sikhism than his predecessors; brought the empire to its greatest physical extent and imposed Islamic Sharia on the Mughal Empire. Extreme policies left many enemies to undermine the empire after his death.

Bahadur Shah I
a.k.a Shah Alam I October 14, 1643 1707-1712 February 1712. First of the Mughal emperors to preside over a steady and severe decline in the empire's control and power. During and after his reign, the emperor became a progressively insignificant figurehead.

Jahandar Shah 1664 1712-1713 February 1713

Furrukhsiyar 1683 1713-1719 1719. In 1717 he granted a Firman to the English East India Company granting them duty free trading rights for Bengal, and confirmed their position in India.

Rafi Ul-Darjat Unknown 1719 1719
a.k.a Shah Jahan II Unknown 1719 1719

Nikusiyar Unknown 1719 1743

Mohammed Ibrahim Unknown 1720 1744

Mohammed Shah 1702 1719-1720, 1720-1748 1748. Suffered the invasion of Nadir Shah of Persia in 1739.

Ahmad Shah Bahadur 1725 1748-1754 1754

Alamgir II 1699 1754-1759 1759

Shah Jahan III Unknown Briefly in 1759 1770s

Shah Alam II 1728 1759-1806 1806. Suffered the invasion of Ahmed Shah Abdali in 1761; granted the 'Nizami' of Bengal, Bihar and Orissa to the BEIC in 1765, formally accepted the protection of the BEIC in 1803. "start of the creation of Afghanistan by the invasion of land from turko monguls including Hazaras, persians, central asian Uzbeks.

Akbar Shah II 1760 1806-1837 1837 titular figurehead under British protection

Bahadur Shah II 1775 1837-1857 1862 Deposed by the British and exiled to Burma following the Great Mutin



I don't know why you added Sher Shah Suri as part of Maghal Rulers. They weren't Maghals you know. Although they took control right after akbar's death, an most importantly according to suri himself, he deserves the kingship since he as a general during Babur did most of the conquering, and according to him Humayun was stupid.

But still Iranians did not wanted Afghans in power cause this would mean the agreement between Babur and Persians would be wiped out, if Afghans do take over and Persians will lose major Afghan cities like Herat to the hands of afghans like always. That's why they offered to help Humayun.
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 06:38 AM

Persian culture, spread over north india through the Mughul dynasty.


Babur who came from both temur and Changez himself embraced the fars "Persian" culture as well as Turkish heritage. He spent much time going between Herat Khorasan "persia" and Turkistan.

Upon conquering north india, the dynasty lasted up until the British colonization started taking place.

Today we can notice that Hindi/Urdu language is heavily influenced by Farsi language.

Infact a farsi speaker I can understand Urdu.....
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 05:02 PM

QUOTE (Akbar @ Dec 7 2007, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Persian culture, spread over north india through the Mughul dynasty.


Babur who came from both temur and Changez himself embraced the fars "Persian" culture as well as Turkish heritage. He spent much time going between Herat Khorasan "persia" and Turkistan.

Upon conquering north india, the dynasty lasted up until the British colonization started taking place.

Today we can notice that Hindi/Urdu language is heavily influenced by Farsi language.

Infact a farsi speaker I can understand Urdu.....


Well thanks to us Farsiwans. For most of the poets at his court was Afghans.


Babur who came from both temur and Changez himself embraced the fars "Persian" culture as well as Turkish heritage. He spent much time going between Herat Khorasan "persia" and Turkistan.

DUDE Where did you get the term "Persia" out of Herat's A$$? Khorasan for sure But Persia no-way.
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 09:43 PM

Afghans????
So why were they farsiwan then???
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Posted 08 December 2007 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE (Akbar @ Dec 8 2007, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Afghans????
So why were they farsiwan then???


Because Farsi is our language became famous for them, Arabs too referred to our language as Farsi. But both Iranians as well as we know, the real forum of Farsi is Dari , and therefore it belongs to us.
Parsi belongs to them.
Look at one way or another Farsi and Persian is different. DOn't CONFUSE Yourself, call it Dari or Farsi, but don't make any mistake in relating it with Persians.
Again Language does not represent race. We are Dari speakers, or Farsiwans, we know our roots, no need for anyone to tell us who we are. We Are Afghan and not different from Pashtu speakers we have the same looks and we are recognizable as Afghan, regardless of where we live. In multi-cultural, multi-Racial nations such as Canada, US or even the city of Moscow, Afghans are recognized from their facial structure, and this is a prove of where-ever Afghans go their looks would get them trapped. Many Russians often know What Afghans look like despite large number of Grozens, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Azaris, Turks, armenians, and Tatars, Afghans are still targeted as soon as they see one, they make them stop ask them for passport, and makeup an excuse just so that you can bribe them. This is a fact known by many Afghans who have been there.

Also same in Tajikistan. An Afghan from where-ever he/she maybe are clearly recognized as Afghan. I myself spend 4 years in Tajikistan and a year Tashkand, I always recognized my Afghans among them. Sometime Hazaras and Afghan Uzbeks were difficult to figure Among Tajiks, because Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras share same looks.
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Thanks Abdullah,
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 02:37 AM

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Because Farsi is our language became famous for them, Arabs too referred to our language as Farsi. But both Iranians as well as we know, the real forum of Farsi is Dari , and therefore it belongs to us.
Parsi belongs to them.
Look at one way or another Farsi and Persian is different. DOn't CONFUSE Yourself, call it Dari or Farsi, but don't make any mistake in relating it with Persians.
Again Language does not represent race. We are Dari speakers, or Farsiwans, we know our roots, no need for anyone to tell us who we are. We Are Afghan and not different from Pashtu speakers we have the same looks and we are recognizable as Afghan, regardless of where we live. In multi-cultural, multi-Racial nations such as Canada, US or even the city of Moscow, Afghans are recognized from their facial structure, and this is a prove of where-ever Afghans go their looks would get them trapped. Many Russians often know What Afghans look like despite large number of Grozens, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Azaris, Turks, armenians, and Tatars, Afghans are still targeted as soon as they see one, they make them stop ask them for passport, and makeup an excuse just so that you can bribe them. This is a fact known by many Afghans who have been there.

Also same in Tajikistan. An Afghan from where-ever he/she maybe are clearly recognized as Afghan. I myself spend 4 years in Tajikistan and a year Tashkand, I always recognized my Afghans among them. Sometime Hazaras and Afghan Uzbeks were difficult to figure Among Tajiks, because Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras share same looks.



lol. So now you are agreeing that farsi was the language of what is so called Afghanistan today... At the same time you are saying that we farsi wans are different from the fars of Iran yet no different from the pashtoons of Afghanistan. lol.... Pashtoons and farsi wans spoke farsi and it does not have anything to do with race but afghans are all afghans???

Just as many parts of northern Afghanistan, Western Afghanistan people not only speak farsi but share the same genes as the fars of Iran...
Herat was in fact eastern Khorasan... But only according to you Herat was always part of the afghans who happened to speak farsi and no relation to iranian fars. Also according to you hazaras, Uzbeks are also Afghans prior to the creation of Afghanistan...

Sure tajiks in tajikistan look similar to hazaras and uzbeks, according to historians central asia inhabitants were persians and eastern asians aka refering to the yellow race dating back two thousand years ago.

And dont try to separate dari and farsi just as your pashtoons ancestors have tried to do so. In Herat even today people speak with the iranian farsi accent.

AFghans were reffered to pashtoons, just becuase history was made in the land callled afghanistan today doesnt make all its inhabitants afghans then.
But for people that live in Afghnistan today, yes they are all considered afghans.
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 01:24 PM

QUOTE (Akbar @ Dec 9 2007, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol. So now you are agreeing that farsi was the language of what is so called Afghanistan today... At the same time you are saying that we farsi wans are different from the fars of Iran yet no different from the pashtoons of Afghanistan. lol.... Pashtoons and farsi wans spoke farsi and it does not have anything to do with race but afghans are all afghans???

Just as many parts of northern Afghanistan, Western Afghanistan people not only speak farsi but share the same genes as the fars of Iran...
Herat was in fact eastern Khorasan... But only according to you Herat was always part of the afghans who happened to speak farsi and no relation to iranian fars. Also according to you hazaras, Uzbeks are also Afghans prior to the creation of Afghanistan...

Sure tajiks in tajikistan look similar to hazaras and uzbeks, according to historians central asia inhabitants were persians and eastern asians aka refering to the yellow race dating back two thousand years ago.

And dont try to separate dari and farsi just as your pashtoons ancestors have tried to do so. In Herat even today people speak with the iranian farsi accent.

AFghans were reffered to pashtoons, just becuase history was made in the land callled afghanistan today doesnt make all its inhabitants afghans then.
But for people that live in Afghnistan today, yes they are all considered afghans.


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So now you are agreeing that farsi was the language of what is so called Afghanistan


DARI WAS CREATED IN AFGHAN LAND. DON't Confuse yourself. DARI is not a race but a language, it was from this land that it expanded, and it was from land of Afghans where oldest reference of Dari was found.


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Just as many parts of northern Afghanistan, Western Afghanistan people not only speak farsi but share the same genes as the fars of Iran...
Herat was in fact eastern Khorasan... But only according to you Herat was always part of the afghans who happened to speak farsi and no relation to iranian fars. Also according to you hazaras, Uzbeks are also Afghans prior to the creation of Afghanistan.


DUDE why you ask backword questions. You view is so off from an Afghan point of view and your questions are childish. All you think is modern statehood. Seems like you never read history books and your mind never works like the minds of historians.
Uzbeks are Altaic --Turkic
HAzaras are also Altaic ---Mongolide
Tajiks are Altaic--Turkic
Afghans are Argyan -Aryanic
Argyans was stated in Awesta in reference to local population of Afghan land with cities such as Balkh, Herat (Aria), kandahar and Kabul.

People who don't look Afghan is because they are not by origin Afghan. Uzbeks are Afghans don't add up. You need to keep in mind of this.

If you want to continue professional discussion make sure you ask direct questions without making making someone sound racist.
What i am saying is not a lie, we Afghans and Uzbek look different, its a fact.

I don't know what you are trying to say. You have no base argument, you jump from one place to other.
Khorasan was a directional name for Eastern Islamic land, and later it was adapted as part of the name. From Mashad to Peshawar and from Oxus to South all the way to Kandahar.

Pars of Iran is a province used to be large for its size like how large our Pakhtria or Kabulistan used to be.

The Persians are mixed racially speaking their blood line is different, although they are 35% irano Afghan race but still 65% are alien to Afghans.

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Sure tajiks in tajikistan look similar to hazaras and uzbeks, according to historians central asia inhabitants were persians and eastern asians aka refering to the yellow race dating back two thousand years ago.

Great now Iranians are Yellow race?I don't know about your yallow, blue, or red race. What you need is some books and also provide me a source, of your yellow race=Persian. Your english seems to be worse then mine so i don't know what you are trying to say.
I know for the fact Aryanic/Afghan tribes moved north into central Asia and from there into Europe. Now if you need reference let me know.

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And dont try to separate dari and farsi just as your pashtoons ancestors have tried to do so. In Herat even today people speak with the iranian farsi accent.

Heratis have been forced and killed to be converted into Shiasm, and further more over years of PErsian takeover of Herat, their accent is somewhat Persian or Safvidai PArsi.
Every Iranian knows this, our Dari does not add up with Persian. Its clear and simple, i can speak both Dialects and my cousin lived in Iran for almost all their lives. We know how they talk, or walk, its matter of better understanding. Dari and Persian are too by far different.

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AFghans were reffered to pashtoons, just becuase history was made in the land callled afghanistan today doesnt make all its inhabitants afghans then.

I have said this over billion times and everyone knows that PAshtu language culture and laws goes back to 5000 years and its native to Balkh, HErat and Kabul.
1. PAshtu is the direct language of Awesta
2. 90% of Afghanistan's pashtu speakers are Afghan by Race
3. 70% of Pashtu speakers of Afgana are Afghan by Race.
4. Pashtu laws dates back for as far as 5000 years
5. Pashtu speakers makeup from 55% to 65% of the population


NOW YOU KNOW WHY AFGHAN=PASHTWANS

That been said Pashtu is modified and new language of Afghanistan created in Afghan land to burse off Shias who took our language and adapted it as their own language and were expanding. The Fact that Modern Pashtu is less then 700 years old and that Dari is 1100 years old does not mean they were not Afghan language. Languages always changed and it does not represent race.
Over the years Afghan land has given birth to Dari poets and it was during the late 16th century that a new nationalistic language was born. and it was from there that it expanded.

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But for people that live in Afghnistan today, yes they are all considered afghans.


By nationality wise everyone born in Afghanistan are Afghan.
By Racial terms 85% of Afghanistan are Afghans if not 85% at least 75% share same looks, blood line, history and culture, BUT NOT Language. The Others came as invaders, settlers into this land.


I have already given you Afghan tribal names even from Shahnameh,
I have given you many other sources to many other topics.

You need to stop this, Afghan race cannot be wiped out. It exists and without being Racist we all know Afghanistan has 20% Turkics or shell i say Tajiks/Uzbeks/Hazaras/Others.

This is a fact.
And if you go by Language speakers who share same looks, culture, and even genetics then we will get 75% just go ahead add 25% us farsiwans and 50% PAshtu speakers.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 11:47 AM

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DARI WAS CREATED IN AFGHAN LAND. DON't Confuse yourself. DARI is not a race but a language, it was from this land that it expanded, and it was from land of Afghans where oldest reference of Dari was found.




DUDE why you ask backword questions. You view is so off from an Afghan point of view and your questions are childish. All you think is modern statehood. Seems like you never read history books and your mind never works like the minds of historians.
Uzbeks are Altaic --Turkic
HAzaras are also Altaic ---Mongolide
Tajiks are Altaic--Turkic
Afghans are Argyan -Aryanic
Argyans was stated in Awesta in reference to local population of Afghan land with cities such as Balkh, Herat (Aria), kandahar and Kabul.

People who don't look Afghan is because they are not by origin Afghan. Uzbeks are Afghans don't add up. You need to keep in mind of this.

If you want to continue professional discussion make sure you ask direct questions without making making someone sound racist.
What i am saying is not a lie, we Afghans and Uzbek look different, its a fact.

I don't know what you are trying to say. You have no base argument, you jump from one place to other.
Khorasan was a directional name for Eastern Islamic land, and later it was adapted as part of the name. From Mashad to Peshawar and from Oxus to South all the way to Kandahar.

Pars of Iran is a province used to be large for its size like how large our Pakhtria or Kabulistan used to be.

The Persians are mixed racially speaking their blood line is different, although they are 35% irano Afghan race but still 65% are alien to Afghans.


Great now Iranians are Yellow race?I don't know about your yallow, blue, or red race. What you need is some books and also provide me a source, of your yellow race=Persian. Your english seems to be worse then mine so i don't know what you are trying to say.
I know for the fact Aryanic/Afghan tribes moved north into central Asia and from there into Europe. Now if you need reference let me know.


Heratis have been forced and killed to be converted into Shiasm, and further more over years of PErsian takeover of Herat, their accent is somewhat Persian or Safvidai PArsi.
Every Iranian knows this, our Dari does not add up with Persian. Its clear and simple, i can speak both Dialects and my cousin lived in Iran for almost all their lives. We know how they talk, or walk, its matter of better understanding. Dari and Persian are too by far different.


I have said this over billion times and everyone knows that PAshtu language culture and laws goes back to 5000 years and its native to Balkh, HErat and Kabul.
1. PAshtu is the direct language of Awesta
2. 90% of Afghanistan's pashtu speakers are Afghan by Race
3. 70% of Pashtu speakers of Afgana are Afghan by Race.
4. Pashtu laws dates back for as far as 5000 years
5. Pashtu speakers makeup from 55% to 65% of the population


NOW YOU KNOW WHY AFGHAN=PASHTWANS

That been said Pashtu is modified and new language of Afghanistan created in Afghan land to burse off Shias who took our language and adapted it as their own language and were expanding. The Fact that Modern Pashtu is less then 700 years old and that Dari is 1100 years old does not mean they were not Afghan language. Languages always changed and it does not represent race.
Over the years Afghan land has given birth to Dari poets and it was during the late 16th century that a new nationalistic language was born. and it was from there that it expanded.



By nationality wise everyone born in Afghanistan are Afghan.
By Racial terms 85% of Afghanistan are Afghans if not 85% at least 75% share same looks, blood line, history and culture, BUT NOT Language. The Others came as invaders, settlers into this land.


I have already given you Afghan tribal names even from Shahnameh,
I have given you many other sources to many other topics.

You need to stop this, Afghan race cannot be wiped out. It exists and without being Racist we all know Afghanistan has 20% Turkics or shell i say Tajiks/Uzbeks/Hazaras/Others.

This is a fact.
And if you go by Language speakers who share same looks, culture, and even genetics then we will get 75% just go ahead add 25% us farsiwans and 50% PAshtu speakers.



Bro now you are getting very childish, and its starting to be joke.

First of all where did I mention that persians = yellow race.

Your arguments are the following

Uzbeks are Altaic --Turkic
HAzaras are also Altaic ---Mongolide
Tajiks are Altaic--Turkic
Afghans are Argyan -Aryanic
Argyans was stated in Awesta in reference to local population of Afghan land with cities such as Balkh, Herat (Aria), kandahar and Kabul.

I have said this over billion times and everyone knows that PAshtu language culture and laws goes back to 5000 years and its native to Balkh, HErat and Kabul.
1. PAshtu is the direct language of Awesta
2. 90% of Afghanistan's pashtu speakers are Afghan by Race
3. 70% of Pashtu speakers of Afgana are Afghan by Race.
4. Pashtu laws dates back for as far as 5000 years
5. Pashtu speakers makeup from 55% to 65% of the population

Heratis have been forced and killed to be converted into Shiasm, and further more over years of PErsian takeover of Herat, their accent is somewhat Persian or Safvidai PArsients.


You make me laugh bro..
According to you tajiks do not belong in Afghanistan, Hazaras dont belong in Afghanistan, Uzbeks dont belong, Pashtoons have been the inhabitants of Afghanistan from Balkh, Herat to kandahar and Kabul...
So why during Babur khan while he was in Kabul he referred Afghans to those to live south east of the Kabul? that is just one example that pashtoons did not live in hazaristan, kabul, balkh, herat up until Afghanistan was created and pashtoons migrated north...

Mentioning Iranians Safavids converted Heratis to shiasm, Safavids were converting the persians to shiasm, does it not make you wonder that Herat would have been part of Persia..


You also state that pashto speakers make up 55 to 65 percent...

That would mean 35 percent of the population would be all the tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras, turkmens, aimaqs, Nuristanies + Pashaies...


Bro dont be so racist and closed minded, these sort of thoughts dont help out. I know that you are aware that 60-70 percent of Hazaras were killed in 1890s...
The inhabitants of Central AFghanistan were yellow race asians, Hazaras just over a 100 years ago = pashtoon population at the time.
The two giant buddahs of Bamyan made by yellow race asian for yellow race, North of Hazaristan to all the way near russia people are asians.. It is recorded that for two thousand years central asia was mainly persians and Eastern Asians...

Does it occur to you that why pashtoons are dark if you are claiming that they are the inhabitants of hazaristan "central Afghanistan highlands"
Since the last hundred year hazaras have been pushed out of the lands more and more in the center up the mountains, lands distributed among pashtoon kuchis...

Racism has a limit brother, I mean who are trying to kid around here?

Have you done dna work that proves that central afghanistan were all afghans = pashtoons, herat was all afghan"pashtoons" all north including balkh, badakhshan were all pashtoons, and the rest of historians are all wrong based on the research = central asian was mainly persians and eastern asians, Persia came out of no where the land of afghanistan was not part of persia, plus even today seeing the inhabitants being of who they are with minority migrated pashtoons..?
They say that the Mongols were descended from the wolves, like the wolves we are famous for our ferocity and courage, but to win a battle we have to fight fiercely, not as individual warriors but as part of the whole pack.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 05:53 PM

QUOTE (Abdullah @ Dec 9 2007, 03:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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QUOTE (Akbar @ Dec 10 2007, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bro now you are getting very childish, and its starting to be joke.

First of all where did I mention that persians = yellow race.

Your arguments are the following

Uzbeks are Altaic --Turkic
HAzaras are also Altaic ---Mongolide
Tajiks are Altaic--Turkic
Afghans are Argyan -Aryanic
Argyans was stated in Awesta in reference to local population of Afghan land with cities such as Balkh, Herat (Aria), kandahar and Kabul.

I have said this over billion times and everyone knows that PAshtu language culture and laws goes back to 5000 years and its native to Balkh, HErat and Kabul.
1. PAshtu is the direct language of Awesta
2. 90% of Afghanistan's pashtu speakers are Afghan by Race
3. 70% of Pashtu speakers of Afgana are Afghan by Race.
4. Pashtu laws dates back for as far as 5000 years
5. Pashtu speakers makeup from 55% to 65% of the population

Heratis have been forced and killed to be converted into Shiasm, and further more over years of PErsian takeover of Herat, their accent is somewhat Persian or Safvidai PArsients.


You make me laugh bro..
According to you tajiks do not belong in Afghanistan, Hazaras dont belong in Afghanistan, Uzbeks dont belong, Pashtoons have been the inhabitants of Afghanistan from Balkh, Herat to kandahar and Kabul...
So why during Babur khan while he was in Kabul he referred Afghans to those to live south east of the Kabul? that is just one example that pashtoons did not live in hazaristan, kabul, balkh, herat up until Afghanistan was created and pashtoons migrated north...

Mentioning Iranians Safavids converted Heratis to shiasm, Safavids were converting the persians to shiasm, does it not make you wonder that Herat would have been part of Persia..


You also state that pashto speakers make up 55 to 65 percent...

That would mean 35 percent of the population would be all the tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras, turkmens, aimaqs, Nuristanies + Pashaies...


Bro dont be so racist and closed minded, these sort of thoughts dont help out. I know that you are aware that 60-70 percent of Hazaras were killed in 1890s...
The inhabitants of Central AFghanistan were yellow race asians, Hazaras just over a 100 years ago = pashtoon population at the time.
The two giant buddahs of Bamyan made by yellow race asian for yellow race, North of Hazaristan to all the way near russia people are asians.. It is recorded that for two thousand years central asia was mainly persians and Eastern Asians...

Does it occur to you that why pashtoons are dark if you are claiming that they are the inhabitants of hazaristan "central Afghanistan highlands"
Since the last hundred year hazaras have been pushed out of the lands more and more in the center up the mountains, lands distributed among pashtoon kuchis...

Racism has a limit brother, I mean who are trying to kid around here?

Have you done dna work that proves that central afghanistan were all afghans = pashtoons, herat was all afghan"pashtoons" all north including balkh, badakhshan were all pashtoons, and the rest of historians are all wrong based on the research = central asian was mainly persians and eastern asians, Persia came out of no where the land of afghanistan was not part of persia, plus even today seeing the inhabitants being of who they are with minority migrated pashtoons..?


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So why during Babur khan while he was in Kabul he referred Afghans to those to live south east of the Kabul? that is just one example that pashtoons did not live in hazaristan, kabul, balkh, herat up until Afghanistan was created and pashtoons migrated north


DUDE I have given you shanameh as the source. which mentions Afghan tribal names that were then taken from Iranians sources such as Bishtun, and Sussianian texts. The Fact that Babur made a record which basically supports the word Afghan, but Dude Babur only had half of Afghan land, Kandahar, and Herat was under Safivads, This is not to say Afghans only lived in north and south of Kabulistan. In fact you are lost. He made one reference, and that was the land whom tribes united with him, whom later fought each-other for the Babur's position. Other half of the Afghan land was not under his control like Herat and Kandahar.
No historical data has been recorded coming of Pashtun in the north. This is just a bulsht, the fact that Pashtu language come about in the north not the people. Pashtu language was made the courty language of late Afghan empires and its was better promoted then.

You NEED TO GET SIMPLE UNDERSTAND OF HISTORY. LANGUAGE DOES NOT REPRESENT RACE. LANGUAGES CHANGE BUT PEOPLE DON'T, LANGUAGES DIE BUT IT'S PEOPLE DON'T. My Childern would be born as Language tell will not speak Dari as much we do, and their grandchildren would long be Americans but Race won't Change, like the Afghan of Australia they will continue to mention their Race even if 200 years passes. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAY'ING DUDE?

Have you heard of this expression. "Once Afghan always Afghan". Where-ever Afghans are their faces will be witnessed and noticed as to whom they are.

Nor am I racist, and nor I had made such racist comments towards such groups. I am talking Origin, Root, Race and you are talking lingustic groups, nationality, citizenship.

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Does it occur to you that why pashtoons are dark if you are claiming that they are the inhabitants of hazaristan "central Afghanistan highlands"
Since the last hundred year hazaras have been pushed out of the lands more and more in the center up the mountains, lands distributed among pashtoon kuchis.

In fact that should of been done When Mongolians first invaded, and now its too late, i don't support that at all. Now hazaras are only mixed with Afghans but also adapted the Afghan culture. I totally disagree with that. I want Hazarasa to stay where they are. Iran has already backs staped them. Hazaras have longer history then Turkic Tajiks and Uzbek. Anyways nice try.

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Bro dont be so racist and closed minded, these sort of thoughts dont help out. I know that you are aware that 60-70 percent of Hazaras were killed in 1890s...
The inhabitants of Central AFghanistan were yellow race asians, Hazaras just over a 100 years ago = pashtoon population at the time.
The two giant buddahs of Bamyan made by yellow race asian for yellow race, North of Hazaristan to all the way near russia people are asians.. It is recorded that for two thousand years central asia was mainly persians and Eastern Asians


No really Dude shut up. The Buddhas all over the world have the same face. The second oldest Buddha is in Tamil land, also have the same face as Afghan Buddha. Because he was from Nepal.
I don't know about yellow or blue race. I am asking you for source other then Wikipedia.
And no don't even think about claiming Buddha, that was made by Afghans and it goes part Khandahari Culture, like that Buddha, its found all over Afghan land, mainly in Khandahari cultural circle (From Kabul to Kandahar to Quetta to Peshawar )
Buddha was not made by Yellow Race, for the Yellow race, but made by Green race for the purple Race. This is such childish claim Hazaras are mongolians proven by both genetics and history. And Buddha carries a form of art and even Zoroastrian influence has been shown, when the found the sculpture of Bird that has been recorded by many archaeologists to have also been found in Sakastan or Helmand civilization. Further more the writing style is awestian. We also know when the Mongolians came they tried to destroy the Buddha as they were different believers.
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 10:38 AM

Ok.
I guess all our discussion mounted to nothing, we just made a circle.

Round 1!
They say that the Mongols were descended from the wolves, like the wolves we are famous for our ferocity and courage, but to win a battle we have to fight fiercely, not as individual warriors but as part of the whole pack.
"Changiz Khan"





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